Public sentiment is largely negative and highly polarized regarding the Supreme Court case on Trump's tariffs, with widespread frustration over the economic impact on consumers and skepticism about the legality of the tariffs and the judicial process. Many comments express dissatisfaction with Trump's governance and concerns over rising prices, while a vocal minority supports the tariffs as necessary for national interests.

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Section 201 of the Trade Act of 1974 authorizes the President to impose tariffs or take certain other actions if the ITC finds that a surge in imports is causing or threatening serious injury to a U.S. domestic industry (DI).

I am pretty sure the courts will side with Trump on the tariffs because congress gave the president the authority to impose them in 1974. They gave the power to the executive branch.

ENCGhostbuster

maxthed0g

There are two classes of tariffs that are under challenge, the country-wide tariffs, and tariffs on particular classes of products. The legal justifications are different for those two classes. 

For the tariffs on nations, Trump is relying on his authority under the International Emergency Economic Powers Act. This is really the only justification for presidential declaration of tariffs, that doesn't require some kind of investigative process and formal finding of a basis. It only require that the president determine there is an emergency threat to the nation and give the president economic powers to respond to it. 

This is why Trump for example is declaring an opiate emergency at the Mexico border, to give himself powers under this act. 

It does however also contain a fairly extensive list of the kind of economic powers that it grants the president, and despite that list being extensive and specific, it does not list tariffs. It has never in the past been used as a basis for imposing tariffs. 

Here's a pretty good article on the IEEPA, and the way that Trump is using it, which also includes a boxed description of exactly the powers granted to the president by the IEEPA. 

https://verfassungsblog.de/trump-tariffs-legal-ieepa/

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I would hate to be a supply chain manager right now...

roketmanp

There will be 100% tariffs on the courts starting tomorrow.

guydud3bro

I'm curious. If you're a business that paid tariffs, do you get a refund from the government? Does that refund come with interest?

sunburn74

Nothing happens, it goes to the supreme court. The supreme court will rule this court decision invalid and give trump full authority as is tradition.

emperorjoe

Disastrous_Fee_8712

This just in: Trump declares judicial branch of the US government "woke" and signs an Executive Order dismantling the entire court system.

__i_dont_know_you__

The courts gave him an inch, and he will proceed to take a mile. Between this and the probable Lisa Cook ruling, it’s only going to make him that much more irate and aggressive.

JafarFromAfar2

Trump Admin likely publishes the tariffs under Sector 232 and 301 authority, or 1977 international balance of payments authority. 

The 1977 authority allows 15% for indefinite period and “additional actions” for 180 days.

Edit: got the year mixed up but the relevant law does exist Trade Act of 1974

FarrisAT

No shit Sherlock.  Congress hold$ the power of the purse.

EinsteinsMind

Congress goes into session next week (or the week after) so watch them push to pass a bill allowing these tariffs

mislysbb

Did the new executive order killing the de minimus exemption get issued under the same “emergency” justification?

WinterDice

This means nothing lol, he will make a statement tonight about doubling them or even he is increasing to 100% , and will also go to supreme court where this will be overruled magically. He is already duping all by showing that tariffs bought 100B to US, and everyone is finding tariff money everywhere even on target and Walmart bathrooms. 

Wait for a long ass TruthSocial post tonight about how stupid Appeals court is.

ThatGuyFrmBoston

This is what I was waiting for. This will set up a contentious appearance before SCOTUS and the outcome might literally determine the fate of the US economy and stock market. If SCOTUS overturns the appeals court, this basically makes the market uninvestable and no better than a third world country. If a president, from any party, can invent a crisis to circumvent the law, you’ll see what amounts to economic warfare based off the vibes and politics of the sitting president. All the other cases and injunctions were bs. This is the one

HistoryAndScience

Why does everyone think China, Canada, EU delayed as they understood US law better than Orange man.

stickman07738

Why isn’t the market reacting positively to this?

Dr-McLuvin

ELI5 how it is found unconstitutional but are still in place

KiraJosuke

He is gonna ignore like he is ignoring every other ruling. It took them months bring back that dude they sent to an El Salvadorian gulag despite Supreme Court clearly saying it was illegal. With every single day, this administration keeps testing new boundaries to see how much they can get away with and they finding out it is a lot!

liverpoolFCnut

az987654

There is a chance the Supreme Court doesn’t take up the case.

time-BW-product

its not like it matters. he is king now and nobody can stop him. good luck america

asraniel

Your edit is all that matters and the Supreme Court will rule in trumps favor or he will have them removed…. So your entire post means nothing

Jumpy-Tale2697

Could have learned this on PBS but here we are.

radehart

It's amazing that the media shrugs at Trump's bogus emergency declarations. What economic "crisis" were we experiencing? What energy "crisis?" 

Native_SC

Haha how did such a moron, and an orange one at that get that job!! Enjoyable to watch though 

What a terrible time it must be to be an American.

benroon

Then How about some does something to stop them? FFS It’s incredible how easy the U.S. Government and institutions and constitution have been to dismantle by these ghouls.

EwokNuggets

So Donnie Jon just spent the last 6 months trying to do something unconstitutional and unenforceable?  Sounds like the work product of a trust fund baby that bankrupts casinos.

Just_Candle_315

Don’t breath easy yet. He’s going to the SCOTUS and I’m not certain they’ll interpret the law right. If it does get shut down at that level it will be narrow.  We’ll probably get a stay on the order again too.

Known_Ratio5478

ebikr

This makes zero difference. He can just make them legal.

spaceraingame

Does this mean some tariffs will be rolled back or canceled?

Variation261

Since when does Trump care about legality?

divestblank

And now what?  It wasn’t even possible to get the majority to impeach him for Jan 6.  Like before, he will simply ignore the court ruling and GOP will just watch, or even support.

AwesomeShikuwasa77

xflashbackxbrd

Most of Trump’s legislation since taking office hasn’t been legal, that hasn’t stopped him. Laws are only as useful as the powers that be’s willingness uphold them and right now Trump has all of them in his pocket.

LevelUpCoder

Jurgis-Rudkis

firestar268

The bad news is that the appeals court is keeping them in place for while trump appeals to the supreme court.

And we can probably guess how the supreme court will vote.

So it's all for nothing unless it's a complete miracle at the scotus

Wanna_make_cash

Rocket_Law

Won't matter, the Supreme Court has the final say on this and we all know whose side they will choose.

Abby941

Shobed

Fox news: "Trump threatens to fire all US court officials"

pogkaku96

MenuOwn

thank goodness.  stock market is back boys.

WeedlnlBeer

Just remember that the supreme Court is playing Calvinball, the rules being that (this) administration wins.

Turkino

The court decision does not impact the steel and aluminum tariffs on Canada. Why not?

Flashy_Difficulty257

Really big deal, stroke worthy perhaps. 

Still a long way to go to the inevitable SCOTUS review which will probably be followed by today's news about him cutting Congress allocated foreign aid. The Congresscritters sit back and say 'please, sir, can I have some more?'. Can Tech create spine implants in time? Stay tuned.

shillyshally

Wrong-Ad-8636

Most things this potus does is not legal…

PMISeeker

altimas

They remain in effect on the coveted Republican principle of Traitor's Prerogative until the Republican SCOTUS can rubber-stamp them

deviltrombone

Can we make the deminimus legal again too? Shits dumb

Right_Ostrich4015

Watch SCOTUS then strike this ruling down

Material_Policy6327

-SacredTCG

Legal? What the fuck does that mean? Is that a made up word?

Tangerine_Whisperer

johnmiddle

Tariffs are here to stay. SCOTUS will back him, on the precedent that they basically made him a king a couple of years ago. And even if they rule against tariffs, he’ll ignore it without consequence

Rough-Farmer2836

Who cars what they say it's going to supreme court and it's stacked with his yes men.

Charizard3535

Didn’t we know that all along? So if they get reverse is Trump going to personally keep all the billions in tariff charges so far? Or is it magically going to disappear?

Early_Level9277

Trump doesn't give a shit about what's legal

PhillNeRD

Most of what Trump has done, is doing, and will do in the future is illegal and unconstitutional.

TollyVonTheDruth

zackks

This will create more uncertainty and market will react very negative on Tues. Companies won't know what to do until the supreme court ruling

alexmark002

nilsmf

notyourregularninja

Nothing is solid until the supreme court. 

Strange-Tension6589

domomymomo

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So how is this news not ultra bullish for stocks?  If Tariffs stand, we are where we are.  If Tariffs get removed by the courts, inflation goes down, interest rates go down and consumer spending power goes up.

Simulator321

So fucking what? Who's gonna stop him? Supreme Court is in their pockets, it means nothing.

HerpankerTheHardman

I am betting Supreme Court will counter this decision soon ?  It’s been such a  crazy decade of the 20s

itec745

Everyone posting this article, but legally what happens now? He will still say they are, if needed he will get the State Owned Comrade Supreme Court to agree and support them etc etc

Balvenie2

Traditional-Eye-7094

Truly truly hope the supreme Court does not take this case up or if they do they uphold the law. Either way it's the same outcome and the tariffs are gone 

If this happens, you want to be as long as possible when it comes to equities 

Now my two cents as a consumer. The tariffs have gave companies a shield to raise prices. If we just make up a number like let's say a company raises a price 10%. They blame the tariffs and input costs. When the tariffs go away does anyone believe they are going to lower the price 10%? So that means expanded margins which rewinds back to my comment about you really want to be long equities 

At least the money you may can help you pay for the higher price goods that we will likely face. On the bright side it still won't be as high as what we would have with tariffs so that's a bonus, and we will have all the stock market money. If these are overturned permanently by the end of the year next year is going to be nuts. Very easy to picture 20 plus percent on the S&amp;p 500

fairlyaveragetrader

We should not let Presidents set taxes on their own. Congress should do its job, if these tarries are so urgent then Congress needs to enact them.  Emergency powers should be for actual emergencies when Congress can’t meet.  Not for simply bypassing Congress because the emergency is the President doesn’t have the votes.

tryingtolearn_1234

Doesn't matter, the damage is done. Companies from other markets are already pausing shipments, and they have no reason to continue until we actually sort out the issue, which means striking down the existing tariffs AND guaranteeing that no more will be put in place, regardless of legality. Who cares if these are struck down if Trump just signs more orders for them and each one has to be challenged after the fact.

Tasgall

I read through the whole thing. 7 Judges rule it’s illegal 4 judges opposed. In addition 3 judges think IEEPA does not authorize tariffs at all. While 4 judges of the majority won’t rule them out, but say they have to be constrained or temporary. 

It largely comes down to does , ‘regulate … imports’. Include tax or tariff. Those 7 judges think it basically does not. The three opposed do. 

The options of the majority and the 3 that think IEEPA doesn’t authorize tariffs are pretty easy to read. The opinion of the opposed judges is kinda hard to get though. That’s maybe not surprising since they are reading something into the law that isn’t explicitly written. 

The opposition points to the statue authorizing downright prohibition which is harsher than tariffs in saying why tariffs are allowed. 

There is a hole there. Congress knew that presidents could declare emergencies for anything when they wrote IEEPA. It’s bad policy to have tariff rates change with every president that’s why they choose not to give that power. If the emergency is so severe to justify invoking IEEPA then prohibiting trade is what is most likely to happen, Iran for example. There was no need to give tariff power and it would be bad policy. 

The majority points out that the executive is given the power to regulate a lot of things and that never means tax unless that’s stated. For example the executive regulates securities through the SEC. If regulate includes tax, then executive could impose a tax on every trade.

The opposition is a bit inconsistent with a few of their arguments. On one hand, they say there is limitations/burdens imposed by the reporting requirements on the emergency to Congress. Later they state failure to meet those requirements doesn’t matter. 

The opposition points out that the plaintiffs didn’t do much to change the authority of the emergency, as in argue there is no emergency. I’d argue trade deficits=direct foreign investment and are actually good. I’d also argue in the Brazil case we don’t have a trade deficit so is this a direct showing of presidential over reach. 

Manufacturing in the US hasn’t been gutted. We make more stuff in the US than we ever have. For those items that are strategically important, there are better ways to protect them. This tariffs will hurt US manufacturing and lead to its hollowing out as our manufactures become less competitive due to tariffs protection on the global scale. This is exactly what Regan thought. There are ways to protect key industries that we saw exposed during COVID without blanket tariffs. 

The reason there is a trade deficit is because the 1. US is a great place to invest and 2. Demographics. We are younger and have a growing population, thanks to immigration, than most other countries.  Again, we cannot have net foreign investment without a trade deficit. 

If the ruling is to survive the Supreme Court, the plaintiffs better analyze that opposition option very closely. Personally, I doubt it survives because of how political the Supreme Court is.

m__s

The damage, however, has already been done. Corporations have already gouged the prices to raise their profit margin and we are all stuck paying more for less. When is it time to #EATTHERICH? Asking for a friend of a friend

Stunning_Pick1065

This whole system is a joke. Illegal but conveniently the law doesn’t need to be enforced until after October when his buddies are in to ensure they overturn it anyway.. they are playing in all of our faces and the sad thing is some fools are supporting it looking like boo-boo the fool.

Ironxgal

If the Deal with Europe are affected from this. The current deal is negotiated. Is this the case countries without a deal in a better position, if the higher cort says the tarifs are not leagel. 

Marc_East

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Ancient_Act_436

Unfortunately the tariffs are still on until the supreme Court decides if they will take the case

fumar

Can't wait to see what the 3 AM meltdown on this is going to look like.

x_Advent_Cirno_x

Fun-Advice9724

If the supreme court?

You have your fuckin answer.

Fascist America.

Honest-Golf-3965

Part of me wants him to put the tariffs out. Let people get what they voted for. If the courts stop him it basically bails him out, avoids a disaster he would have created. The dumbest among us will forget that he tried and keep voting for insanity at the midterms.

EyeConscious857

Will importers be allowed to seek restitution for illegal charges then?

DisastrousWalk8442

Now, the question is what can or will be done. Will prices go down?

We as consumers need to stop accepting this bullshit. During Covid everything skyrocketed because of “supply chain” issues and were told things would go back down. They didn’t and people forgot. 

Gas doubled during the Middle East wars because the pipelines were being sabotaged. We’re told they would go back down…people forgot and kept buying gas….

allislost77

The tough part at this point is the list of countries that have moved on from the U.S. is very long and will not be returning to the way it use to be. 
 Blame this on Congress for not reeling Trump in right from the start.

Rockeye7

enormenuez

Lmao hit us back when the SCOTUS says fuck the citizens.

Alternative-Bee-1716

Doesn’t mean he’s going to do a thing about it.

The_Stank_

pvtteemo

Does this mean that any tariffs paid by the American citizen get refunded? keep your groceries receipts people...

  
I suspect the Supreme court will just rule in Trumps favour. It might cost trump a couple mill per judge but that's chicken feed in this dictator play.

LuckyErro

Everything he does is illegal nothing‘s ever done about it. Everybody goes to prison and pays fines. He held  accountable for anything. 😡

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